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>> correct. >> that sksent with trayvon martin leaning over when he got hot? >> yes, sir, sure. >> you were asked -- or you actually spoke a little bit about the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> did you -- you actually went to the scene for the purpose of getting an idea of the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> but you didn't get an idea of the light, did you? >> no. i failed to go take into account the change in season, so when i got there, it was still daylight or dusk area. >> and when was that? >> off the top of my head, i can't remember the exact day, sir. i think i might have told new deposition, but i can't remember. >> can you ballpark it? was it in july? >> july? no. >> was it in june? >> maybe early june. i don't remember the exact day in which i attempted that. >> you went to the scene to get an idea of the light? >> yes. >> and the sun had not yet gone down? >> correct. it was not completely set. >> so you didn't wait until it had set? >> no, sir. >> and you didn't go back? >> no. >> when it was dark some other day? >> no. >> the defendant told you that t
>> correct. >> that sksent with trayvon martin leaning over when he got hot? >> yes, sir, sure. >> you were asked -- or you actually spoke a little bit about the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> did you -- you actually went to the scene for the purpose of getting an idea of the light, right? >> yes, sir. >> but you didn't get an idea of the light, did you? >> no. i failed to go take into account the change in season, so when i got there, it was...
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trayvon martin was fit. the fight wasn't fair. have a look at how he showed us what the fight was like. take a look at john guy with the demonstration. that you're going to see a lot of. >> you recognize this as being a human type figure? right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. it's actually got a belly button. >> it surely does. >> does it appear to be anatomically correct. >> for the belly button, yes, sir. >> so as the defendant described it to you, is this the way he described it in the area of the belly button. >> what's important right now, number one you've got your knees up pretty high on his waist. slide down just a little bit more. there you go. have a squat. i can't see your crotch, but in the area of his belly button. >> here's his belly button. am i in the area. >> yes, sir. >> did you have the defendant do this? >> no, sir. >> when you talked to him. >> no, sir. >> you didn't have him do that? >> no, sir. >> if this person, this mannequin were carrying a firearm on their waist, where would the gun be right now in relation to me
trayvon martin was fit. the fight wasn't fair. have a look at how he showed us what the fight was like. take a look at john guy with the demonstration. that you're going to see a lot of. >> you recognize this as being a human type figure? right? >> yes, sir. >> okay. it's actually got a belly button. >> it surely does. >> does it appear to be anatomically correct. >> for the belly button, yes, sir. >> so as the defendant described it to you, is this the...
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charged with second degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. zimmerman told the judge today he does not wish to testify on his own behalf. nbc's ron motte is covering in sanford, florida. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. the defense rested after another extraordinary day at the courthouse, including a tense exchange about whether or not george zimmerman would take the stand. today, george zimmerman made up his mind. >> what is your decision, sir? >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >> reporter: earlier, as the defense wound up its case with witnesses yet to call, things got testy. >> i am asking your client questions. please, mr. west. >> i object to the court inquiring of mr. zimmerman as to testify -- >> your objection is overruled. mr. zimmerman, i will give you more time, sir to discuss this with your attorneys. thank you very much. >> reporter: the tension between defense attorney don west and judge debra nelson seems leftover from an after-hours court session last night. >> i can't keep up this pac
charged with second degree murder in the killing of trayvon martin. zimmerman told the judge today he does not wish to testify on his own behalf. nbc's ron motte is covering in sanford, florida. good evening. >> reporter: good evening to you. the defense rested after another extraordinary day at the courthouse, including a tense exchange about whether or not george zimmerman would take the stand. today, george zimmerman made up his mind. >> what is your decision, sir? >> after...
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about the phone calls is what trayvon martin was doing. of course we haven't spent a lot of time on that. the evidence is compelling. we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that number in mind for a minute. 7:11:57. because the altercation, according to miss lauer's phone call if you sort of look at when her phone call started, back it up to when she heard what she heard, she called it 7:16:11. give her 30 seconds or so on-to-have started, right? somewhere around there. we are going take a break for a couple of minutes because i didn't realize i have been talking for an hour and 20 minutes so we are going to take a break. but before we take a break, here is what i'm going to do. i'm going to sit tight. we are not going to t
about the phone calls is what trayvon martin was doing. of course we haven't spent a lot of time on that. the evidence is compelling. we know he was on the phone with rachel jeantel. we know that ended -- we have the time, a precise time, and it kicked back in. and that she said he was running. which actually coincides pretty straight forward with when george said he was running. some consistency there. so trayvon martin was running. and he was running at about somewhere 7-eleven, 47. keep that...
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all the testimony is that trayvon martin is right-handed. right there that is a significant, significant inconsistency that doesn't make sense. we all know that we have dominant hands. i can't imagine that's going to be lost on the jury. that's just one tiny example. >> you know what's amazing, sunny? >> yes, mark gar goaeragogerago. >> you call it a cartoon. it's not -- >> it's an avatar cartoon. >> the cartoon makes it a pejorative and you use the language that way. i think it couldn't be better for the defense to put it up there and say this is one reasonable possibility of what happened. by the way, if there's a reasonable possibility that this is the way it happens, you must find the defendant not guilty. >> it's going to be shredded by the prosecution. >> we've got to leave it there. just for the record, i think it was jeff toobin who first used the term cartoon. >>> coming up next, i'll talk to defense attorney mark o'mara, why his client did not testify and why he wants the jury to consider the maximum charge against him. and also yo
all the testimony is that trayvon martin is right-handed. right there that is a significant, significant inconsistency that doesn't make sense. we all know that we have dominant hands. i can't imagine that's going to be lost on the jury. that's just one tiny example. >> you know what's amazing, sunny? >> yes, mark gar goaeragogerago. >> you call it a cartoon. it's not -- >> it's an avatar cartoon. >> the cartoon makes it a pejorative and you use the language that...
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martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only focusing on at the time of the actual shot, correct? would that be accurate? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're not stating here are you that everything george zimmerman stated at the statement you saw, the reenactment is the complete gospel truth? >> that's correct, sir. i'm just stating the nature of the gunshot wound being consistent with the account. >> were you aware, sir, that the defendant had given one, two, three, i believe at least four, maybe five statements prior to that one? >> i believe you had mentioned that to me, sir. >> i think i mentioned that in your deposition, right? >> yes, sir. >>
martin or trayvon martin who attacked george zimmerman? >> that's correct. >> you can't testify as to who threw the first punch? >> that's correct, sir. >> fact, you can't testify whether there was a first punch throwing? >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defending himself in terms of when this first started? >> that's correct, sir. >> you're really testimony is only...
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>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard surface. >> would concrete qualify in. >> concrete can qualify, yes. >> in your training and experience under circumstances like this, would you expect to see bruising on the knuckles if there had been punching going on? >> you can see bruising or you cannot see bruising. it depends what part of the body you punch. the softer the portion, you may not see it. in a case like this you can have bruising but it may not be visible unless you cut open the hand, the skin and peel it back. there may have been bruising there that we don't know about or there may not have been bruising but it doesn't make that much difference. you can punch
>> that's correct. >> let's talk for a moment about the injury to trayvon martin's knuckle. do you remember there being in the photographs and the discussion in the autopsy an abrasion on the left hand fourth finger. >> right. >> do you agree with dr. bao that's an abrasion type injury? >> it appears to be. >> is that consistent with having come in contact with a hard surface or impacting some other surface? >> it's consistent with impacting a hard...
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trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last defense witness, a decision is made to testify or not. if the decision is not to testify, the attorney notifies the judge and then the defendant gets questioned outside the presence of the jury but on the record to preserve the record so later on they can't say, oh, my attorney tricked me, i didn't know i have the right. they just do through a series of questions. you understand tyou have the right to testify. yes. you've had a chance to speak to your attorney. yes. that's what we all that uought was going to be. zimmerman looked
trayvon martin was unarmed. let's bring in msnbc legal analyst lisa bloom and criminal defense attorney john burress. let's start with the moment we just witnessed, which was extraordinary. i was watching from afar. you were here as well. i didn't know if george zimmerman was about to be the next witness on stand. what happened there? smpb >> apparently he didn't know if he was going to be the next witness or not. usually what happens is at the close of the defense case, after the last...
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goode saw, trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the -- you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you could see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> right, in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one, you couldn't get the other one. so there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objectio
goode saw, trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back, consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement, i take it, is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> right. but again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >> the --...
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that he pushed the gun into trayvon martin's chest. you know, justice and emotions you have to be careful with it because we all have emotions as human beings and we have justice. you sit back and say what are they trying to do? does it really help you decide this case when somebody who is not george zimmerman's voice screams at you or yells at you and curses at you? no. i would contend. listen to the tape. don't listen to mr. guy. i'm sure people say that i look like joel and mr. guy is trying to sound like him with this really odd f'ing punks! you know, do we need that? i do a little bit, i guess. but do we need that type of anger coming out from a prosecutor rather than from a defendant? is that really the way we are going to present this case to a jury of my client's peers? assholes. really? is that the way he said it? one piece of evidence that my client attacked trayvon martin landed one blow, for that matter. did anything to justify in any form or fashion the onslaught of injury perpetrated upon him by no one other than trayvon
that he pushed the gun into trayvon martin's chest. you know, justice and emotions you have to be careful with it because we all have emotions as human beings and we have justice. you sit back and say what are they trying to do? does it really help you decide this case when somebody who is not george zimmerman's voice screams at you or yells at you and curses at you? no. i would contend. listen to the tape. don't listen to mr. guy. i'm sure people say that i look like joel and mr. guy is trying...
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trayvon martin the way he was. trayvon martin that night, i had to show you, he had the hoodie on. we talked about the hoodie. this is from the picture we showed you. it's not in evidence. don't even have to believe it's accurate. just take a look at it. remember how much taller i was than andrew gaugh, and he testified that he was 5'10". and then there's george zimmerman and how tall he is. take a look at him compared to my height. could you stand up for a moment, please? relative physical abilities. that's what you have to look at to determine in a self-defense case. so you look at this guy that night, don't look achad the today to how much weight he gained. it doesn't matter, what matters is how he was that day and how trayvon martin looked that day. in evidence, just so you get an indication, november 15th, 2011, about two months, three months before trayvon martin passed away. that's what he looked like. a young kid, nice kid actually, you look at the picture, not bad. the problem is when we show you autopsy photographs, there are two things to show you about autopsy photograp
trayvon martin the way he was. trayvon martin that night, i had to show you, he had the hoodie on. we talked about the hoodie. this is from the picture we showed you. it's not in evidence. don't even have to believe it's accurate. just take a look at it. remember how much taller i was than andrew gaugh, and he testified that he was 5'10". and then there's george zimmerman and how tall he is. take a look at him compared to my height. could you stand up for a moment, please? relative...
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will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor. >>> so, he won't testify but his defense attorney mark o'mara is talking, striking a confident turn after today's dramatic session. >> i think we have a very, very good chance with the jury right now and with the evidence as presented. he's already given his story or statement five, six, seven times now so the jury has that and we just decided that there was enough evidence in there that we don't need to present any more. >> both sides using high
will they find him guilty or not guilty of killing trayvon martin. the most we've heard from the defendant himself. >> did you now have sufficient time to discuss with your attorneys whether or not you wanted to testify in this case? >> yes, your honor. >> i don't need to know what was said but after those discussions, have you made a decision? >> yes, your honor. >> what is your decision, sir. >> after consulting with counsel, not to testify, your honor....
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martin and george zimmerman where trayvon martin ended up dead. we'll vf much more on this coverage coming up on "now" with alex wagner after a quick break. stay tuned. can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male announcer ] see what's happening behind the scenes at aflac.com. a regular guy with an irregular heartbeat. the usual, bob? not today. [ male announcer ] bob has afib: atrial fibrillation not caused by a heart valve problem, a condition that puts him at greater risk for a stroke. [ gps ] turn left. i don't think so. [ male announcer ] for years, bob took warfarin, and made a monthly trip to the clinic to get his blood tested. but not anymore. bob's doctor recommended a different option: once-a-day xarelto®. xarelto® is the first and only once-a-day prescription bloo
martin and george zimmerman where trayvon martin ended up dead. we'll vf much more on this coverage coming up on "now" with alex wagner after a quick break. stay tuned. can't work, he can focus on his recovery. he doesn't have to worry so much about his mortgage, groceries, or even gas bills. kick! kick... feel it! feel it! feel it! nice work! ♪ you got it! you got it! yes! aflac's gonna help take care of his expenses. and us...we're gonna get him back in fighting shape. ♪ [ male...
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following -- if george zimmerman is following trayvon martin, he's guilty of something. that's not part of the law. the truth is it isn't part of the law and the jury needs to understand it according to this defense attorney. >> the jury told by the court it's not illegal to follow somebody especially if you're doing it to tell the police where this person went. >> response? >> as the state objects, we would note it's the first time i ever heard unnamed media commentary cited as legal authority to the courted. i would submit while following itself might not be illegal that following is one factor the jury is free to consider in this case. it is something that evinces the defendant's state of mind. it doesn't have to be illegal and i don't think the instruction -- we want to talk about what confuses the jury. when the court starts telling them things like it is not illegal to walk across the street. it is not illegal to walk home from 7-eleven in the rainwearing a hoodie. it is not illegal to be armed with a pack of skittles. that tennes to confuse the jury. it is also in
following -- if george zimmerman is following trayvon martin, he's guilty of something. that's not part of the law. the truth is it isn't part of the law and the jury needs to understand it according to this defense attorney. >> the jury told by the court it's not illegal to follow somebody especially if you're doing it to tell the police where this person went. >> response? >> as the state objects, we would note it's the first time i ever heard unnamed media commentary cited...
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if you don't believe that trayvon martin saw the gun, if you don't believe that trayvon martin can get to the gun, that calls into question the entire self-defense argument that they're making to the jury. and keep this in mind. the prosecution, once the defense raises self-defense, the prosecution has to prove under florida law that beyond a reasonable doubt, there was no self-defense. so the burden shifts to the prosecution once self-defense is raised by the defense. but make no mistake about it. the law is like mud. this jury is going to hear this law from this court, and they're going to be like every jury. they're going to have a hard time going through it, because lawyers can't even agree what that gobbledygook means when the judge reads that law to that jury. >> faith, having said that, and about seeing the gun or grabbing for the gun, let me show you some of what john guy laid out in terms of the inconsistencies and tell me whether that addresses some of that from the prosecution's standpoint. >> sean knoffke told me to get an address. that didn't happen. listen to the tapes. l
if you don't believe that trayvon martin saw the gun, if you don't believe that trayvon martin can get to the gun, that calls into question the entire self-defense argument that they're making to the jury. and keep this in mind. the prosecution, once the defense raises self-defense, the prosecution has to prove under florida law that beyond a reasonable doubt, there was no self-defense. so the burden shifts to the prosecution once self-defense is raised by the defense. but make no mistake about...
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so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >> well, we don't talk about that much publicly on our side of things. when we make those type of decisions, we don't sue insolvent people. we sue people -- it's an informed decision. so we don't -- that wouldn't be a very public situation when that decision is made, how we handle it, and we'll confer with our clients. we'll make that decision. right now, though, i think this verdict is so fresh, we don't have that second conversation not yet. i think right now it's really an important time for the country and the martin family to think about how we treat racia
so they are very committed to trayvon's leg gas i. and trayvon's legacy means so much to this country, in that hopefully he has made america more aware that all people are important, but also too that we is to be more mindful as to how we treat one another, how we profile one another, how we evoke our judicial process when things occur. all of those things will be part of trayvon's legacy. >> i'm interested, first of all, in whether moving forward includes perhaps a civil suit. >>...
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the state almost conceded that trayvon martin was on top during this demonstration. >> trayvon martin backing up, could not the defendant have shot him at a 90-degree angle? >> all right, so this is tough, you can't have it both ways. i guess the bottom line, the whole point of reasonable doubt. doesn't this create reasonable doubt in the state's case? >> no, i heard a lot of analysts, i didn't see it as them conceding. i heard them saying it was a fluid fight, we don't know what happened. we didn't have witnesses that saw the fight from beginning to end. but we do know who started the confrontation. this is a simple case from the start. we know that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin. the question before the jury is was he justified? the only justification comes from george zimmerman. and as we saw the state do, they brought in george zimmerman's inconsistencies. the jury is going to be instructed you can believe somebody or not believe them. and the weight to decide is how many times do they tell the truth, versus exaggerate or tell a lie. >> all right, and let me ask you about
the state almost conceded that trayvon martin was on top during this demonstration. >> trayvon martin backing up, could not the defendant have shot him at a 90-degree angle? >> all right, so this is tough, you can't have it both ways. i guess the bottom line, the whole point of reasonable doubt. doesn't this create reasonable doubt in the state's case? >> no, i heard a lot of analysts, i didn't see it as them conceding. i heard them saying it was a fluid fight, we don't know...
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computer animated version of the events the night trayvon martin was shot to death. the video depicts the defense's version of the events as seen through zimmerman's eyes. the court heard from the forensic expert who produced that video. >> i put in the rod to match the bullet trajectory and then looked at his positions getting out of the car to see what position the bullet trajectory should be and if it was consistent with the height and the position of the shooter. >> the defense then called its first witness. a forensic pathologist who is on the stand right now. msnbc craig mevelvin joins us le from the courthouse. >> that is precisely the argument that the state was making. this animation, thomas, the judge called the hearing at 8:30 and we thought it would twa 30 minutes but after two hours the judge finally decided she wanted to bring the jury back in and this is an issue she thinks she can decide on later. the state indicated it's going to take them another 45 minutes to make the counterargument. this animation, by the way, it purports to show essentially what
computer animated version of the events the night trayvon martin was shot to death. the video depicts the defense's version of the events as seen through zimmerman's eyes. the court heard from the forensic expert who produced that video. >> i put in the rod to match the bullet trajectory and then looked at his positions getting out of the car to see what position the bullet trajectory should be and if it was consistent with the height and the position of the shooter. >> the defense...
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we don't know if trayvon martin sent them. she mentioned a 7-year-old can break into a phone and send messages out. my 7-year-old changed the code on my phone. so i think in real life, trying to authenticate social media messages is very difficult. when you have the person whose phone it belonged to dead, how do you properly authenticate it? i don't think it's coming in own that basis. and even if it's relevant, it's so prejudicial. it's not probative of anything. i can't imagine that this kind of information is coming in. and i don't think that the defense should want it in. it's that trash the victim defense that is never successful. i agree with jeff. this defense is doing very well. they should rest and let this go to the jury. >> let me counter argue that to danny and get your opinion. what the defense is saying is well, look, the prosecution, you know, went to great lengths to get evidence of george zimmerman allegedly learning mixed martial arts and that was allowed in. so if there are, in fact, texts from trayvon marti
we don't know if trayvon martin sent them. she mentioned a 7-year-old can break into a phone and send messages out. my 7-year-old changed the code on my phone. so i think in real life, trying to authenticate social media messages is very difficult. when you have the person whose phone it belonged to dead, how do you properly authenticate it? i don't think it's coming in own that basis. and even if it's relevant, it's so prejudicial. it's not probative of anything. i can't imagine that this kind...
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first he told police trayvon martin jumped out of the bushes. but in this reenactment less than 24 hours later, there was no mention of bushes. zimmerman had once said martin confronted him, using an expletive, asking what's your problem, homey. that version was later changed. then there's the recorded statements saying after he shot martin he spread the teenager's arms. evidence shows martin was face down with his arms under his body. was zimmerman changing his story to help his case or could it be memory loss? a phenomena called hisser the call amnesia. psychiatrist mark rubinstein has treated hundreds of patients who suffered from this. >> it's caused by the release of certain chemicals in the brain when one is facing a psychologically traumatic event and the attempts to protect one's self. the person so affected is not going to remember either an entire episode or chunks of an episode. >> reporter: with hisser the call amnesia, witness root testified about this. >> because of the high stress event, it alters the manner in which they interpre
first he told police trayvon martin jumped out of the bushes. but in this reenactment less than 24 hours later, there was no mention of bushes. zimmerman had once said martin confronted him, using an expletive, asking what's your problem, homey. that version was later changed. then there's the recorded statements saying after he shot martin he spread the teenager's arms. evidence shows martin was face down with his arms under his body. was zimmerman changing his story to help his case or could...
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family members differ -- family members of trayvon martin say it's trayvon martin screaming. how is the jury going to sort that out? they may not be able to. you have to consider the screamer stops when the gun is shot. i think that might make it more likely that it's trayvon martin screaming. now, zimmerman says or his defense attorney says no, zimmerman was screaming and he stops when the gunshot goes off because the threat is eliminated. the problem with that, zimmerman did not think the let it was eliminated. he said he thought trayvon martin was still alive. in fact, that's why he turned him over, spread his arms out. so that's something i can see developed further in close arguments. i think the bottom line is the jurors will say, we can't tell who was screaming so we will just cast that aside. >> doesn't that explain why zimmerman was stalking trayvon martin in the first place? >> sure they do. the nonemergency dispatcher said, are you following him, zimmerman said yeah, the dispatcher said, we don't need you to do that, and he clearly did continue to follow him. their
family members differ -- family members of trayvon martin say it's trayvon martin screaming. how is the jury going to sort that out? they may not be able to. you have to consider the screamer stops when the gun is shot. i think that might make it more likely that it's trayvon martin screaming. now, zimmerman says or his defense attorney says no, zimmerman was screaming and he stops when the gunshot goes off because the threat is eliminated. the problem with that, zimmerman did not think the let...
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>> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> people shouting "justice for trayvon martin" while marching through the streets. this remained mostly peaceful so far pept for one protest in oakland, california where a public transit car was smashed. in washington people marched late into the night calling for more to join them. and in chicago protesters carried a giant sign saying "we are trayvon." they also chanted "not one more." back in florida a group of young demonstrators had an emotional moment as they sang quietly on the steps of the capitol building in tallahassee. civil rights leaders are reacting with shock and frustration. the reverend jesse jackson gave us his take earlier today. take a look and a listen. >> i remain stunned at this decision, that the grown man armed murdered the unarmed boy going home because he suspected him. the state's attorney avoided the issue of race. the defense team denied the issue of race. and yet race profile was obvious from the very beginning. you look on the jury without a black or wi
>> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> justice for -- >> trayvon martin! >> people shouting "justice for trayvon martin" while marching through the streets. this remained mostly peaceful so far pept for one protest in oakland, california where a public transit car was smashed. in washington people marched late into the night calling for more to join them. and in chicago protesters carried a giant sign saying "we are trayvon." they also chanted...
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martin, martin -- trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak, and we also had to explain the reason. why trayvon martin's arms were underneath kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so this really -- danny, bolsters on the defense's case and verifies if you believe this witness, what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course, it's more than that. this is a terrific expert. a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. we're talking about some -- even though he says it's not a complex case and he's probably right from a forensic stand point, talking about the operations of the heart and how it affects the brain and how long you can live. the idea of reaching into your heart and yanking it out. even though none of us have seen that, except maybe a movie, we can imagine that and that drives it home. it under skorcores the importan of having an expert that knows what he's talking about. if they can't communicate it, they aren't worth when you pay. >> mark,
martin, martin -- trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak, and we also had to explain the reason. why trayvon martin's arms were underneath kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so this really -- danny, bolsters on the defense's case and verifies if you believe this witness, what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course, it's more than that. this is a terrific expert. a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive...
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before trayvon martin was shot. let's listen in. >> -- but you can get severe head trauma without more on the scalp sglp so scalp. >> sort of gauging the amount of force necessary to cause those injuries alone, would that be enough force in your opinion to cause this stunning effect that you talked about? >> oh, yes. anyone who's ever had a real bang on the had head knows, you don't have to have a laceration or big bruise to be -- it's a transient type of thing. maybe five, ten seconds, you know, you're kind of stunned. that's why that's a good term to use. medically the doctors would refer to it as a ultra mild concussion. but stunning would be a better thing because people experience that and they hit their heads an they understand it and it is not really of much significance neurologically. >> if you sustained a stunning blow like this, and then you continued to receive additional blows to the head, would the additional blows continue to cause this stunning effect? >> oh, yeah. yeah. >> so it may compound, in a w
before trayvon martin was shot. let's listen in. >> -- but you can get severe head trauma without more on the scalp sglp so scalp. >> sort of gauging the amount of force necessary to cause those injuries alone, would that be enough force in your opinion to cause this stunning effect that you talked about? >> oh, yes. anyone who's ever had a real bang on the had head knows, you don't have to have a laceration or big bruise to be -- it's a transient type of thing. maybe five,...
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t neither the text messages from trayvon martin's phone, those won't be admitted either. two major setbacks for the defense right now. sunny hostin is sfatanding by a he has her reaction. page pate is with us, as well, the defense attorney. big wins for the prosecution. these two decisions from judge debra nelson. >> i think that's right. i think we could see where the judge was leaning. yesterday i was here until 10:00 at night, as well. little bit past that and she had trouble with authentication when it came to the text messages. that means, in our legal terms, that she wasn't sure they were actually trayvon martin's. she voiced her concerns how other people have access to one's phone and she wasn't comfortable with that letting that in because of the authentication issues. i understand she was leaning that way. in terms of the animation, she also had trouble with it. she felt and voiced some concerns about the data points that this witness was using when he put this animation together. you know, he seemed to be picking and choosing certain versions of events from cert
t neither the text messages from trayvon martin's phone, those won't be admitted either. two major setbacks for the defense right now. sunny hostin is sfatanding by a he has her reaction. page pate is with us, as well, the defense attorney. big wins for the prosecution. these two decisions from judge debra nelson. >> i think that's right. i think we could see where the judge was leaning. yesterday i was here until 10:00 at night, as well. little bit past that and she had trouble with...
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it's trayvon martin screaming out. we have one witness who says it sounds like a boy. that was a neighbor who didn't know either of the two men. zimmerman himself said to the police, it doesn't sound like me. the defense argued today, well, that's the typical thing people say when they hear a recording of their voice. oh, that doesn't sound like me. that's their argument on that one. we know the screaming stops when the shot gets fired. we know that john goode, one of the witnesses, said he heard george zimmerman screaming for help. so how the jury sorts all of that out, i don't know. they may ultimately say, you know, this 911 call, we can't sort it out, we're going to put that piece of evidence aside. >> lisa, i want to bring you back to the character question. let's say the door is open for the prosecution to bring in the negative information and evidence about george zimmerman. doesn't that also have a reverberating effect? doesn't that then give the defense an opportunity to bring in whatever negative issues, info
it's trayvon martin screaming out. we have one witness who says it sounds like a boy. that was a neighbor who didn't know either of the two men. zimmerman himself said to the police, it doesn't sound like me. the defense argued today, well, that's the typical thing people say when they hear a recording of their voice. oh, that doesn't sound like me. that's their argument on that one. we know the screaming stops when the shot gets fired. we know that john goode, one of the witnesses, said he...
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they were reenacting trayvon martin on top. one retreating, the other effective. >> i think the cross was spectacular today. i don't think this witness was a good witness for the defense. i'm surprised the defense went to far to call this witness. his bias was shown on cross-examination. he's getting paid to do this. he reached out to the defense because he wanted to do this. he sbrer viinterviewed george zimmerman. it wasn't a good witness from the very beginning which up until today was doing pretty well. on cross-examination he just really faltered. i was in the courtroom for part of the testimony. the jury was riveted because juries love demonstrations. i think when the prosecutor got on top of this charcoal dummy, it was very, very effective in poking holes in not only the witness's preparation but his testimony. >> mark, how did you see this? from the courtroom's perspective how did people respond? >> i think that many lawyers can't help themselves and ask too many questions. i think the defense was on a very big high and
they were reenacting trayvon martin on top. one retreating, the other effective. >> i think the cross was spectacular today. i don't think this witness was a good witness for the defense. i'm surprised the defense went to far to call this witness. his bias was shown on cross-examination. he's getting paid to do this. he reached out to the defense because he wanted to do this. he sbrer viinterviewed george zimmerman. it wasn't a good witness from the very beginning which up until today was...
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george zimmerman is found not guilty in the shooting death of trayvon martin. and only on cbs, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says iran is dangerously close to having a nuclear women son moving fast to develop intercontinental missile that could deliver it to the united states. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning again george zimmerman is a man. he was found not guilty last night in the death of 17-year- old trayvon martin. he stood stoically in the courtroom last nile as the court clerk read the verdict. >> state of florida versus george zimmerman. verdict, we the jury find george zimmerman not guilty. >> schieffer: cbs news correspondent has been covering this case over the last year he is in florida this morning with the latest, mark? >> good morning, bob. not guilty in the end jury of six women, five of them mothers decided that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin in self defense. his face was impassive. he shook hands wit
george zimmerman is found not guilty in the shooting death of trayvon martin. and only on cbs, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says iran is dangerously close to having a nuclear women son moving fast to develop intercontinental missile that could deliver it to the united states. it's all ahead on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs from cbs news in washington, "face the nation" with bob schieffer. >> schieffer: good morning again george zimmerman...
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martin, trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak. we also had to explain the reason why trayvon martin's arms were underneath, kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so danny, this bolsters obviously the defense's case, it verifies what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course. it's more than that. this is an example of a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. even though he says it's not a complex case, talking about the operations of the heart and how it affects the brain and how long you can live, he uses some simple images, the idea of someone reaching into your heart and yanking it out. we can imagine that, and that drives it home. i think this underscores the importance of having an expert that not only knows the science but is able secondly to communicate it. if they can't communicate it, they're not worth what you pay them. >> mark, you used this guy on the stand in cases of your own. does the jury -- they got it out on evidenc
martin, trayvon martin said you got me. so he could speak. we also had to explain the reason why trayvon martin's arms were underneath, kind of clutching at his chest. he had to be able to move, so this would explain that. >> so danny, this bolsters obviously the defense's case, it verifies what george zimmerman's story is. >> of course. it's more than that. this is an example of a terrific pathologist who uses imagery to drive complex issues home. even though he says it's not a...
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in other words, trayvon martin is the victim. trayvon martin was going about his business. he went to the liquor store to get iced tea and skittles for his nephew, and he was zoned in to watch the all-star game. he is talking to rachel jeantel, make sure the game is on. he is going about his business, certainly not engaged in any kind of behavior that would justify suspicion. you can see he is focused on getting home. it is a rainy night. he is not trying to scope out the neighborhood, that he was trying to burglarize, he is zoned in on getting home, watching the all-star game, getting skittles to his nephew is not somebody casing the joint, looking to rob somebody, who started this fight? george zimmerman. >> to the point of what happened in that fight. and we don't have george zimmerman taking the witness stand to testify or get cross examined and we obviously cannot have trayvon martin. the prosecution went to the medical evidence and blood stains, where is the blood? why is there no blood? >> you you recall one of the things we talked about. i think one of the witnesses
in other words, trayvon martin is the victim. trayvon martin was going about his business. he went to the liquor store to get iced tea and skittles for his nephew, and he was zoned in to watch the all-star game. he is talking to rachel jeantel, make sure the game is on. he is going about his business, certainly not engaged in any kind of behavior that would justify suspicion. you can see he is focused on getting home. it is a rainy night. he is not trying to scope out the neighborhood, that he...
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we know that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin, that trayvon martin is deceased. the only question is, was it self-defense, and did he do it with ill will and hatred in his mind if it was in the self-defense? those are the only issues the jury has to consider. >> on the issue of jury instructions, that could tip the whole thing one way or the other. >> it will be very important to see what judge nelson -- how she goes forward and instructs the jury. it will go down to the reasonableness of that self-defense of george zimmerman. the fact is this, there's both direct evidence and circumstantial evidence that was put forth by the prosecution that really bolsters the prosecution's case, and that's why the judge ruled in their favor and against the defense in their motion to acquit. >> and paul, part of what seema -- excuse me, part of what lisa was saying is that several of the elements here are essentially undisputed. >> correct. >> that the individual is dead and that another individual shot him. so what we're looking at would be potentially the jury instructions di
we know that george zimmerman killed trayvon martin, that trayvon martin is deceased. the only question is, was it self-defense, and did he do it with ill will and hatred in his mind if it was in the self-defense? those are the only issues the jury has to consider. >> on the issue of jury instructions, that could tip the whole thing one way or the other. >> it will be very important to see what judge nelson -- how she goes forward and instructs the jury. it will go down to the...
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you heard trayvon martin's mother, trayvon martin's brother insists that was the voice of trayvon martin. this is significant in as much as if, in fact, it was george zimmerman who believed he was in danger and he then shot and killed trayvon martin. would obviously have an impact on this decision by the jury. let's see who this witness is. let's get some more of this live coverage here on cnn. >> [ witness sworn ] . >> you may be seated. >> thank you. >> good morning, ma'am, how are you? >> good morning. >> state your name, please. >> lee anne benjamin. >> and are you married? >> yes, i am. >> to whom? >> john donnelly. >> okay. do you know george zimmerman? >> yes, i do. >> and if you would, tell the jury how long you have known him. >> i think i met george nor the first time either at the end of 2002 or early in 2003. >> and if you would briefly tell the jury the circumstances of. i own and operate a local real estate business and george was working for the local evens company and i used to refer my commerce over to him, so i got to know him that way. >> would a characterization as a
you heard trayvon martin's mother, trayvon martin's brother insists that was the voice of trayvon martin. this is significant in as much as if, in fact, it was george zimmerman who believed he was in danger and he then shot and killed trayvon martin. would obviously have an impact on this decision by the jury. let's see who this witness is. let's get some more of this live coverage here on cnn. >> [ witness sworn ] . >> you may be seated. >> thank you. >> good morning,...
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the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy. not just for his family, or for any one community, but for america. i know this case has elicited strong passions. and in the wake of the verdict, i know those passions may be running even higher, but we are a nation of laws, and the jury has spoken. i now ask america to recognize calm reflection on two parents who lost a son. we continue our live coverage from sanford, florida, what's next? zimmerman may not be done defending himself in court? now civil rights leaders are calling for new charges. >>> also ahead -- >> in my instance, because i am african-american. we never really get a fair trial. we don't feel like we get a fair trial. >> that was longtime sanford resident and business owner brenda hartsfield about 24 hours ago on our show. i'll check in with her and get her reaction to the verdict. we'll be right back. [ brent ] this guy's a pro, herbie. [ herbie ] there's no doubt about it brent, a real gate keeper. here's kevin, the new boyfriend. lamb to the slaughter. that's rig
the death of trayvon martin was a tragedy. not just for his family, or for any one community, but for america. i know this case has elicited strong passions. and in the wake of the verdict, i know those passions may be running even higher, but we are a nation of laws, and the jury has spoken. i now ask america to recognize calm reflection on two parents who lost a son. we continue our live coverage from sanford, florida, what's next? zimmerman may not be done defending himself in court? now...
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he is still calling trayvon martin a suspect. i think if you interviewed him today he would probably say the same thing because that is what he thought about this young man. >> and let's talk about race, race is an issue in this case. the five people he called about who were suspicious. before trayvon martin, five out of five were african american. trayvon martin was clearly called those names and targeted because he is african american. i mean, is there really any doubt in anyone's mind about that? i think the prosecution has to address that squarely. because there was a witness today who talked about a burglary in the neighborhood, and it was a young african male, what is the point of that? if somebody is young and black walking in the neighborhood, we should call the cops? >> the witness came in, george zimmerman had a legitimate reason for finding trayvon martin suspicious because other young black men had targeted the neighborhood. >> because there was another young black burglar in the world. >> they're smart, when the pros
he is still calling trayvon martin a suspect. i think if you interviewed him today he would probably say the same thing because that is what he thought about this young man. >> and let's talk about race, race is an issue in this case. the five people he called about who were suspicious. before trayvon martin, five out of five were african american. trayvon martin was clearly called those names and targeted because he is african american. i mean, is there really any doubt in anyone's mind...
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tracy martin is trayvon's dad. what did trayvon martin's father say when he was asked in an interview room by the sanford police? let me play you a tape of some screaming. actually, i don't think they prefaced it that way. they said we're going to play you a tape. and then when he was asked who was screaming, the response was crystal clear. have a look at how that played out not long ago. >> the tape with screams on it and the gunshot? >> yes, sir. >> and did you play that for mr. martin and ms. green? >> yes, sir, i played all the recordings for him. >> focusing on the 911 call, tell me how you played that, what volume or how the setting of that occurred? >> i can't recall the number as far as the volume went, but it was audible. relatively clear, as clear as i had. it was played off of a -- i believe off of a cd. it might have been digital, an e-mail. i don't quite remember. but it was played. and it was audible. >> okay. and what was mr. martin's response? >> emotional. understandab understandable. i let him lis
tracy martin is trayvon's dad. what did trayvon martin's father say when he was asked in an interview room by the sanford police? let me play you a tape of some screaming. actually, i don't think they prefaced it that way. they said we're going to play you a tape. and then when he was asked who was screaming, the response was crystal clear. have a look at how that played out not long ago. >> the tape with screams on it and the gunshot? >> yes, sir. >> and did you play that for...
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martin, and trayvon ultimately ending up dead. >> right. that's her third time on the stand for those keeping track at home. she had to talk about that very painful moment when the 911 call is played for the father of trayvon martin and he said it did not sound like his son. and the prosecution brought out on cross-examination that this was a tremendously emotional moment. even this police detective felt emotional. she said she was choked up because she's a mother herself and she put herself in his shoes and imagined how he must feel. the defense attorney, i thought, very skillfully tried to bring it back to the point that he called her for, which was even though it was a very sad, emotional moment, you have no doubt that he said that was not his son's voice. she had to acknowledge that's what was said at that time. >> john, you were saying if tracy martin gets on the stand and goes into saying he does believe it's trayvon now, you say that really delineates any credibility that he has. >> not as a dad, of course. but certainly on his testi
martin, and trayvon ultimately ending up dead. >> right. that's her third time on the stand for those keeping track at home. she had to talk about that very painful moment when the 911 call is played for the father of trayvon martin and he said it did not sound like his son. and the prosecution brought out on cross-examination that this was a tremendously emotional moment. even this police detective felt emotional. she said she was choked up because she's a mother herself and she put...
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goode saw trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement i take it is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >>> you pointed out in your direct evidence that there were two lacerations on the back of mr. zimmerman's head and that you testified that you believed those two have been from separate impacts. >> yes, sir. >> because you can see the sort of valley in between. >> yes, sir. >> those were the two blows that created the lacerations. >> in addition they were so separate that if you impacted one you couldn't get the other one. there were two reasons. >> your testimony was that was consistent with having mr. zimmerman's head struck at least twice on a surface like concrete. >> objection. leading nature of the question
goode saw trayvon martin straddling and striking mr. zimmerman with mr. zimmerman on his back consistent with the forensic evidence that you found at the time of the shot? >> yes, sir. >> that statement i take it is separate and apart from mr. zimmerman's statement describing essentially the same thing. >> again, i would not have used that to give my opinion. i have to use the physical evidence in conjunction with the statement of mr. zimmerman. >>> you pointed out in...
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trayvon martin against george zimmerman. and then it traveled down 30 feet or so, however they ended up there. we know that when they ended up there the only one that was injured at all, except for the gunshot, was george zimmerman. and that the only other injury that trayvon martin had on him was what seemed to be a fight injury from a couple scrapes to the knuckle. again, in my quest, my dangerous quest to prove my client's innocence beyond a reasonable doubt now we really get into what happened. you can argue and the state will, all you want that george wanted to be a cop. and george's calls to law enforcement in the past just had some seeding anger of build up. but don't assume it. prove it, believe it. don't prove it. it just doesn't exist. and don't connect those dots if they have not been connected to you beyond a reasonable doubt by the state. now, let's look at what really happened that night. and let's see the graph is done. so, what were these people doing just before? spend a moment on that to start talking about
trayvon martin against george zimmerman. and then it traveled down 30 feet or so, however they ended up there. we know that when they ended up there the only one that was injured at all, except for the gunshot, was george zimmerman. and that the only other injury that trayvon martin had on him was what seemed to be a fight injury from a couple scrapes to the knuckle. again, in my quest, my dangerous quest to prove my client's innocence beyond a reasonable doubt now we really get into what...
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let's go right to the courtroom and the cross examination of dimaio. >> -- it was trayvon martin who attack george zimmerman. you can't say that. >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact, you can't testify as to who threw the first punch. >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact, you can't really testify whether there was a first punch thrown. >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defensing himself in terms of when this first started. >> when it first starred? that's correct, sir. >> your testimony is really only focusing on the time of the actual shot. correct? would that be accurate? >> that's correct, sir. >> okay. and you're not stating here, are you, that everything george zimmerman stated at the statement you saw, the re-enactment, is the complete gospel truth. >> that's correct, sir. i'm just stating the nature of the gunshot wound being consistent with his account of how he shot. >> right. but were you aware, sir, that the defendant had given one, two, three -- i believe at least four, maybe five statements prior to t
let's go right to the courtroom and the cross examination of dimaio. >> -- it was trayvon martin who attack george zimmerman. you can't say that. >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact, you can't testify as to who threw the first punch. >> that's correct, sir. >> in fact, you can't really testify whether there was a first punch thrown. >> that's correct, sir. >> you can't say whether it was trayvon martin defending himself or george zimmerman defensing...
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up next, trayvon martin's father. he also speaks to cnn and tells us what it's like to be in court sitting so close to the man who killed his son. >>> i can't say what's in his mind. i can't answer that. i don't know the individual. i know he profiled my son. >> this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. >> why do you think he shot and killed trayvon? >> i don't know. i don't know. i really can't answer why he shot trayvon, you know? i don't know. >> is it difficult to be in the room with george zimmerman? >> very. very. it's difficult sitting there and seeing the killer of our child sit there with this fixed stare as if he did nothing. >> he's said some things, i want to get your reaction. and you were there when this was said in court. >> i wanted to say i am sorry for the loss of your son. i did not know how old he was. i thought he was a little bit younger than i am, and i did not know if he was armed or not. >> for him to say he was sorry and that he didn't know how young he was and he
up next, trayvon martin's father. he also speaks to cnn and tells us what it's like to be in court sitting so close to the man who killed his son. >>> i can't say what's in his mind. i can't answer that. i don't know the individual. i know he profiled my son. >> this guy looks like he's up to no good or he's on drugs or something. >> why do you think he shot and killed trayvon? >> i don't know. i don't know. i really can't answer why he shot trayvon, you know? i don't...
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zimmerman is claiming that trayvon martin was committing an aggravated battery. this instruction that i provided is exactly the law and it's the instruction that's in the standard that relates to chapter 776. that's the justifiable use of force chapter and that's the language that we used in our instruction because that's the issue. in fact, judge, it's the only issue in the case. it's always been the only issue in the case. and that is, that a person is justified in using deadly force if he reasonably believes such force i necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself. that's the only issue. >> then that section goes on to say while resisting attempt to commit applicable felony upon him or any dwelling in which he was present. >> he wasn't in his house. >> it's either the applicable felony or in his house. >> no. >> that's the use of -- that's the justifiable use of deadly force. >> no. we disagree. >> well, then get me case law that says that's a wrong interpretatio interpretation. >> look under the standard instructions, actually, i have
zimmerman is claiming that trayvon martin was committing an aggravated battery. this instruction that i provided is exactly the law and it's the instruction that's in the standard that relates to chapter 776. that's the justifiable use of force chapter and that's the language that we used in our instruction because that's the issue. in fact, judge, it's the only issue in the case. it's always been the only issue in the case. and that is, that a person is justified in using deadly force if he...
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he believes he profiled, followed, and gunned down trayvon martin. it came just hours after the judge ruled that the jury can also consider the lesser charge of manslaughter. a decision that could have a
he believes he profiled, followed, and gunned down trayvon martin. it came just hours after the judge ruled that the jury can also consider the lesser charge of manslaughter. a decision that could have a